Differing views within the Democratic Party

    It is generally acknowledged that for a politcal party to achieve success, it must be an accomadating entity that is willing to encompass views that differ somewhat from the "Party" line. This maxim has been exemplified by both the Democrastic and Republican parties at various times since the end of the civil war. At one point, New England was a vertable stronghold of the so called Yankee Republicanism, better known as the moderate to liberal wing of the Republican party. At the same time, the Deep South was once reliably Democratic, albeit conservative, which helped establish the Democratic party at the political center. However, recent years have seen both of the major parties moving back into a period of extreme polarity, resulting in the near decimation of the politcal center. As seen in the Lieberman/Lamont senatorial primary, many of the politcal left were unwilling to accept a candidate who shared the same politcal views except on foreign policy. Conversely, in the Laffey/Chaffey primary, the intolerance many conservatives felt for Chafee's percieved liberal nature on social issues nearly led to his defeat in the primary and played a large part in his GE downfall.
     This elimination of political centrists has its roots in the presidency of Bill Clinton but its consequences have been magnified through the Democratic presidential primary. Several times, I have expressed views that ran contrary to what the left wing of my party held to be non-negotiable; I was promptly excoriated by numerous users and told to "go to Redstate, no quarter, etc". To blatantly attack others for having some differing views from the party line is downright foolish, as evidenced by the inumerable number of Clinton supporters that fled Daily Kos as a result of the veritable beating they were recieving. It is only through acceptance of deviations from the party line that the Democratic Party can truly widen its influence.
       I have assembled a list of key issues that often produce stark divisions in primary elections and in general elections. They are follwed by my own personal views on each topic, but I would prefer not to be excoriated for any of them.

  Economics: I am a die-hard supporter of the minimum wage increase and generally support the Democratic position in this case.

  Foreign Policy: Sorry but I do not buy the "Change we can believe in" version. I am not a foreign policy hawk yet I was disgusted by Obama's declaration in a debate that he would meet with the leaders of  Iran, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, etc in the first year of his presidency (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dSPrb5w _k). I was a vehement supporter of Hillary's advocation of diplomatic envoys.

  Gay marriage: It should not be illegal on the federal level and should be left up to the states. I do support civil unions.

   Abortion: I am unabashedly pro-choice, which is a major strike against a McCain presidency in my book.

  Affirmative Action: I staunchly oppose affirmative action. Giving an unfair advantage to individuals based on their race is actually reverse discrimination, and I support the decision of Michigan voters in 2006 to restrict it.

 Separation of Church and State: I am with Teddy Roosevelt on this one, the man who stripped our currency of the words "In god we trust." The separation of these two ideals is paramount to the existence of a functional and prosperous society.

  Healthcare: HAving had personal experience with the U.S.' terrible healthcare system, I strongly supported Hillary's universal healthcare plan. Obama's, while better than that of Bush, was simply not far reaching enough in my view.

So there you have it. Please post your own views on these topics and if they helped lead you to support a particular candidate in the Democratic primary.



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by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:12:41 PM EST

Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

I think you're well within the mainstream of the Democratic party.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:18:13 PM EST

Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

I just know that for my views on affirmative action, I was told I was a race baiting republican troll. DOes not foster a sense of unity, ehh?


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:21:31 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Yeah,  another PUMA diary.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:26:17 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Ingore my last comment,  Ignored and Disgusted (nice sympathy name).

PLease, for context tell us what you wrote to be called a race baiting troll.

Also understand that if you spend time on sites like NoQuarter or Riverdaugter or even Alegre's Corner you will be tagged with racist, as those sites cater and harbor dirty racists.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:28:29 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

For starters, your previous comment betrayed your true opinion. Secondly, I had a previous diary about how Obama's race is a regrettable factor that must be taken into account when evaluating the current state of affairs. There are several widely recognized events that exemplify this, most notably the near defeat of former GOv. Doug Wilder. FOr that, i was deemed a concern troll who race baits and belongs at a republican site. Then again, if one says anything that contradicts the opinions of the majority around here (die hard Obama supporters), one is sure to get quite an earful.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:34:06 PM EST
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Now you're just trying to make me laugh. (none / 0)

Then again, if one says anything that contradicts the opinions of the majority around here (die hard Obama supporters), one is sure to get quite an earful.  While it is better now that the primary wars are mainly behind us, on this site being the one who typed that earful would result in, at the very least, a warning possibly a loss of rec and rate ability and in a number of instances outright banning.  It is amusing to observe the whaling and gnashing of teeth that goes on here now that Sen. Obama's supporters are free to speak out and not absolutely certain to be punished if they speak out at all.


by tonedevil on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:52:59 PM EST
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Re: Now you're just trying to make me laugh. (2.00 / 3)

All I am saying is that anybody who does not bow at Obama's feet around here is immediately lambasted for being a republican troll.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:44:29 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (1.00 / 4)

If you dont want a site that is 100% behind Obama you need to find a nice republican site.

I am sure you are a Republican troll.

Your methods at smearing party members is quite brilliant.

Hey Im guilty of it too, I had a great time trolling against the laughable Republican candidates, even the wild card Ron Paul,  who I spent HOURS AND HOURS defaming for his connections to his own racist publications.

I also spent hours on the rape loving Huckabee.

man i feel sorry for you.        
I wouldnt waste my time trolling against an inevitable victory.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:58:28 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Behind Obama is one thing. Blindly accepting everything he does as unassailable is quite another.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:02:15 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Well Duh, this site is dedicated to electing democrats.


by venician on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:22:24 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

Economics: There are many ways to have good governance on the economy and no single issue dictates.  Ohio, Michigan, PA are all screwed partially because they have a minimum wage and are weighed down by California's strong US dollar from Intel, HP, etc etc.

 Foreign Policy: I like Hillary and Bill on foreign policy but like economy there are multiple ways for things to work IF Obama knows what he is doing.  Jury still out on this for me.

 Gay marriage: It should not be illegal on the federal level and should be left up to the states. I do support civil unions.

  Abortion: I am pro choice but luke warm.  If conservative states banned this it wouldn't keep me up at night.

 Affirmative Action: I think people who have crappy schools and a lack of initial capital have a right to good schools and maybe some form of capital access.  For example if everyone were given $5,000 when they graduate from HS it would benefit the poor most of all even if everyone got it.  Once the school and capital access are fixed I am with you regarding a color blind society.

Separation of Church and State: I am with Teddy Roosevelt on this one, the man who stripped our currency of the words "In god we trust." The separation of these two ideals is paramount to the existence of a functional and prosperous society.

 Healthcare: I like Hillary so I like her plan but this totally isn't an issue that gets me excited.  I like Hillary because the Clintons have proved that they are smarter than the average bear and produce very positive change.

Change:  I think we should add a catagory for change.  Obama is making massive changes in voter registration, in national dialog for race etc.  If he ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT HE IS DOING this could be a very big positive for him and provide a uniquely Obama legacy that I could be proud of as a Democrat.  If he ACTUALLY KNOWING WHAT HE IS DOING


by dtaylor2 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:24:33 PM EST

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Interesting that you mention change. For me at least, in the primary I felt as though Obama advocated change for change's sake, without offering specifics of his plans. That was a major factor in my support for Hillary.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:26:28 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Why are you still talking about the Primary.

Less than 100 days till Obama CRUSHES John McCain.

Talk about being a complete downer, Primaries?

Tell me one thing,   when will the primary be over for you?


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:29:56 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

I just want to engage in a discussion to gauge how wide our party tent is and to evaluate whether deviating on certain principles is tloerated. Does that bother you?


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:37:32 PM EST
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Look for the tent exit and keep walking.

you didnt see the sign "No Neocons allowed"

Also, Caffepress used to have this cute bear wearing a t-shirt that said "I can't Bear Neo-cons"

very cute


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:59:29 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Why don't you try to post a comment that does not directly insult another user? It would be a refreshing change.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:03:19 PM EST
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Now THAT would be a refreshing change (2.00 / 1)

you could believe in! But some people have to insult and try to argue because they don't know how to carry on a civil conversation with people that don't agree with them 100%.


by georgiapeach on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 09:57:29 PM EST
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The primary is over, so who supported whom (2.00 / 1)

in the primary is really irrelevant at this point.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:25:22 PM EST

Re: The primary is over, so who supported whom (none / 0)

care to actually answer the question the diary poses?


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:44:21 PM EST
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Of course there's a broad range of (none / 0)

acceptable viewpoints in the Democratic party.


by Geekesque on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:55:14 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

I find your foreign policy to be very hawkish and nationalistic and within the neo-con framing.

Do you not admit that Bush took our International Political capital and squandered it?

You do realize that we are not really the world's Superpower, financialy or military?
You realize we have little diplomatic clout?

Tell me what would be so absolutely disgusting for our President to push for world unity and peace.

Do you really think the people of Iran want war with America?
Do you think that Dick Cheney wants war with Iran?

I think your opinion on Foreign policy just plain sucks as it seems it makes exuses for the absolute tragedy George Bush and Dick Cheney have been.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:25:46 PM EST

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To me, world peace and unity are simply staple phrases at the Miss USA pageant. (see Miss Congeniality for further details) My foreign policy opinions are my own and I do not consider careful negotiations and prudence to be the hallmarks of the neo-conservative movement.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:28:58 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

But they are, you still didn't explain yourself.

What did Obama say that was so bad?

What do you think is more dangerous,  Bush attacking Iran to burn his legacy into the anals of dictatorial history  or Obama negotiating a more peaceful relationship.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:32:32 PM EST
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His inexperience in foreign policy was made clear in that deate. Even today, most of his "views" are those of his aides. Last time I checked, Iran had not been attacked, though thanks to Condi Rice, and Obama had not offered clear plans to deal with these eventualities.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:36:07 PM EST
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thanks for not answering.

Im sure those Iranian children can't wait for Bush's wrath.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:00:28 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Please tell me what is wrong with displays of political acumen and savvy. LAst time I checked, they were inherent characteristics in most oriductive administrations.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:05:51 PM EST
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Wait a second, did you miss it the other day when Obama told Ehud Olmert that "any action against [Iran] would be legimate [if negotiations fall through."?

OMG. OBAMA'S A HAWKISH NEO-CON FASCIST.

Get real. People throw around the word neo-con so much these days without having the slightest idea what it really means.


by rayj on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:38:49 PM EST
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If you find this diarist's foreign policy to be "hawkish, nationalistic, and within the neo-con framing," then you must find Barack Obama's position also to be hawkish, nationalist, and within the neo-con framing, because he too has disavowed his previous position that he would meet with the leaders of Iran, Syria, etc. within the 1st year of office without pre-conditions.


Jim Martin for Senate!
by markjay on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:45:06 PM EST
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Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (2.00 / 5)

...as  far as I  am concerned and I think the exact same point could have been made  without it.

A candidate got primaried, lost,  ran as an independent, promised it wouldn't affect the local Democratic party, had an amendment named after him that may be used as an authorization for military action against Iran, endorsed McCain, lectured Democrats on FISA, and still wants his committee chairmanship.

It is OK to have divergent views but at some point party loyalty has to become an issue at the highest ranks of elected office. I think the endorsement of McCain should an automatic ticket to a lost chairmanship.

Individual voters have all the leeway in the world because they are a constituency of one.  However, Lieberman borderline lied to his constituency to get reelected to his seat.


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:40:12 PM EST

Re: Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (none / 0)

You have to admit though. If Lieberman had been reelected as a dEmocrat, he would not be running around jeopardizing his chairmanships and endorsing republicans.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:41:38 PM EST
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Re: Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (2.00 / 3)

Lieberman was dead wrong about Iraq, and gave Republicans bi-partisan cover for it.  And now he's confirmed our worst fears, and has jumped the aisle.  We don't want him, we hopefully won't need him after the election.


by NewOaklandDem on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:48:11 PM EST
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Re: Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (2.00 / 1)

He knows he will never be re-elected to his senate seat, so why not go out with a bang........ I agree with you on this one.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:06:49 PM EST
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Re: Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (none / 0)

I like Lieberman's politics. I don't like him these past few years though.  He should have kept his word better by being an indepedent democrat.

I think Lieberman knows John McCain won't make a better President than Obama.  Yet, I think Lieberman likes the attention of being a novelty.

it is seductive to stand out and be unique, but Lieberman should stay and fight to make the democratic party better.

but if he persists, he's probably out and deservedly so.


by yellowdem1129 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:14:22 PM EST
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Re: Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (2.00 / 1)

You start off by saying you like his politics, and then describe why they are attrocious.

Man you DINOS never cease to amaze.

Why not cross over, the Repubs need help.


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:18:15 PM EST
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Re: Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (none / 0)

Dissent over some issues is not equivalent to treachery, my friend.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:23:42 PM EST
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Re: Lamont/Lieberman is a sore subject... (none / 0)

It's not at all obvious that Lieberman is doing either the Kyl/Lieberman or the McCain endorsement out of personal pique.  I take the man at his word as I do with all reports of personal emotional state unless proven otherwise.


Visiting the hopium dens proudly since 2007.
by AZphilosopher on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:57:48 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

  Economics: "I am a die-hard supporter of the minimum wage increase and generally support the Democratic position in this case." Agree

 Foreign Policy: I favor diplomacy over bullets. Military action is only a tool for diplomacy. The tool of last resort.

 Gay marriage: Favor full equality for all Americans regardless of sex, race, religion, or sexual orientation.

  Abortion: I pretty much stand about where Obama and Clinton do on this one.

 Affirmative Action: I abhor the need for affirmative action, but accept that it is a necessary evil in some instances.

Separation of Church and State: "I am with Teddy Roosevelt on this one, the man who stripped our currency of the words "In god we trust." The separation of these two ideals is paramount to the existence of a functional and prosperous society." Agree

Healthcare: I do not like Obama's or Clinton's plan. The only thing that will solve the problem is a single-payer system.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:52:41 PM EST

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I think Democrats are failing our nation by not having serious-honest debates about:

-gay rights agenda (I'm against)
-drilling (for)
-affirmative action (for)
-unions (generally for as a shield/not as a weapon)
-use of govt.---I think Dems should work to -support a vibrant free market as much as possible.  Get the govt. out of so many decisions.  We the people (millions) will make better decisions that govt. workers (thousands/hundreds/tens).
-we need to promote good moral values throughout society.  There are too many bad indicators that are routinely ignored. Including the divorce rate, the out-of-wedlock births, abortions, crime, under/poor education, etc.

We have the best country in the world.  We need to dedicate ourselves to keeping it.

Govt. should be used to help as a last resort and where the consequences are bad.-


by yellowdem1129 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:11:41 PM EST

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Man, you could make MILLIONS on Fox.

They would love to have some "blogger-pundit"  who says they are a Democrat, but can't unify over one of their wussy causes like human rights for homosexuals.

Especially if you are weak looking like Alan Colmes or spastic like Will Bower.

Man you can make some money smearing us on Fox/PUMA TV


by DemsLandslide2008 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:15:48 PM EST
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I hope to get on t.v. someday.

but I'm a strong democrat.
I'm a proud african american.

I'm a yellow dog dem.

I win arguments. I'm not a fall guy for the right.

If they are correct. I'm on their side.
If they are wrong. I'm against their side.

Either way. I'm a democrat.

I'm tired of democrats having to suffer fools with left wing extremists and take them seriously.

If someone thinks they are correct, no name calling, no attacks, use facts and logic.


by yellowdem1129 on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:21:30 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, but you don't support Democratic issues, so calling yourself a Democrat and a yellow dog is denial of what you truly are: a Republican.

You don't support the gay rights agenda, and are against gay marriage: Republican position.
You support opening up protected areas for drilling for more oil: Republican postition.
You think Dems should support a "vibrant free market", rather than the regulated market that they advocate (for reasons that have become quite obvious the last couple of years). You support the Republican position.
"Promote good moral values throughout society"- straight from the page of Republican talking points.

"Govt. should be used to help as a last resort "

Then what's a government for? What exactly am I paying all those tax dollars for, if not for the government to be there to support it's people?
I expect our government to maintain a strong (but not bloated) military, I expect good schools and good roads, a fire department, a police department, clean water and clean air.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:39:27 PM EST
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I agree with every point except foreign policy.

I believe it never hurts to talk.

"I won't talk to you" seems to me childish


by wrb on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:27:25 PM EST

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TO me, Hillary did not advocate isolationism. Rather she was a supporter of prudent and pragmatic foreign policy.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:31:37 PM EST
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I think not being willing to talk to unpopular nations is imprudent.


by wrb on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:34:13 PM EST
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Talking without preconditions is a remarkable display of weakness for a country like the U.S.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:36:45 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

We see it differently.

I see the unwillingness to talk as a remarkable display of weakness.

What are we afraid of?  

How will better understanding threaten us?


by wrb on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:39:10 PM EST
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Making too many concessions too quickly negates America's clout at the negoitiating table. It is important to mantain good relations with other nations but progress must be gradual.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:41:31 PM EST
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We don't have any diplomatic clout anymore, that's the point.  It's all gone.  Shrub squandered it.

BTW, diplomatic clout, (especially with your allies), is mostly based on soft power.

Wanna see a demonstration of soft power:  Obama's reception in Europe and the Middle East last week.  They all want to work with him.  

Pretty damn cool to see!


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:02:52 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

the citizens, maybe. NOT the people at the negotiating table, like Angela Merkel.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:07:50 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

They respond and answer to their voters


by wrb on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:28:40 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

Are you always like this?

I'm sure glad that I don't know you in real life.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:44:08 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

lucky for you then


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 09:12:11 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

It escapes me how talking is a concession


by wrb on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:43:40 PM EST

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It is not a concession. However, "playing all your cards at once" is never a good idea.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:45:47 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 2)

I hope we have more and better cards that the "fingers in the ears la la la I can't hear you" card


by wrb on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:53:20 PM EST
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Het, I'm genuinely impressed. Someone giving mojo to a comment that argued with that person's point.

Well done


by wrb on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:01:06 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (2.00 / 1)

kinda sad that doing so has actually become rare enough so as to be worthy of congragulations...... And I am all for discussion, so there is nothing wrong with an opposing viewpoint.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 08:07:01 PM EST
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Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

agree with you there.........


by Ignored and Disgusted on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 07:57:29 PM EST

My primary goals were more modest (none / 0)

I simply picked the person I thought could win (Obama). As far as the issues:

Economics: I am for more equitable distribution of wealth. Higher minimum is one stab at solving this issue, but I also believe strongly in market regulation.

Foreign Policy: Talk first, sanction, talk some more, then shoot.

Gay marriage: It should not be illegal.

Abortion: Pro-choice in general, I waver on very late-term abortions.

Affirmative Action: Until better solutions exist, I staunchly support affirmative action. I regard it simply as desegregation of the workplace.

Separation of Church and State: I support the strict sense, where the government cannot establish a state-sponsored religion. I do support aid to church-sponsored programs, and believe the absence of such aid (where it is given to secular organizations) is tantamount to persecution. The government should be unaware of religion, not for or against it.

Healthcare: I support universal healthcare, and wish Obama's plan went further.


by Neef on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 09:40:55 PM EST

Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

When is the next Clinton/Obama debate?
Damn, will this Primary ever end?
Hope some changes are made...having the Primary extend into Aug is goofy.
I support ending the Primary no later than ..say..the first week in June...

oh..it did end..just some commenting here have failed to realize it.

"Never Mind"


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 11:34:40 AM EST

Re: Differing views within the Democratic Party (none / 0)

Unless civil discussion has been banned from this site, I see no reason for lambasting me for engaging in it.


by Ignored and Disgusted on Tue Jul 29, 2008 at 02:31:54 PM EST
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