Nice Try, Part II

I wrote on Friday about an emerging pattern: McCain's attacks on Obama are so crappy that the press is actually debunking them in the same story reporting the attack. In other words, instead of an attack lingering on Drudge unchallenged, then hitting Politico et al before finally getting debunked, the press actually just debunks the bogus charge upfront. Striking, really.

The latest version? McCain adviser Randy Scheunemann accused Obama of changing his position to follow McCain - on the idea that troop levels should be "entirely conditions-based."

But not exactly. From NBC's First Read:

But the remark the McCain campaign is jumping on -- from Obama's interview with Newsweek's Richard Wolffe -- pertains to residual forces, not withdrawal from Iraq. From the interview...

Obama: I also think that Maliki recognizes that they're going to need our help for some time to come, as our commanders insist, but that the help is of the sort that is consistent with the kind of phased withdrawal that I have promoted. We're going to have to provide them with logistical support, intelligence support. We're going to have to have a very capable counterterrorism strike force. We're going to have to continue to train their Army and police to make them more effective.

Wolffe: You've been talking about those limited missions for a long time. Having gone there and talked to both diplomatic and military folks, do you have a clearer idea of how big a force you'd need to leave behind to fulfill all those functions?

Obama: I do think that's entirely conditions-based. It's hard to anticipate where we may be six months from now, or a year from now, or a year and a half from now.

Keeping residual forces in and around Iraq is something that Obama has consistently talked about. As Obama told the late Tim Russert at the MSNBC debate in September 2007: "The only troops that would remain [in Iraq] would be those that have to protect U.S. bases and U.S. civilians, as well as to engage in counterterrorism activities in Iraq."

It's striking really.

Maybe tomorrow McCain will try again on timetables.

This seems like a positive development - some in the traditional media doing their job to apply scrutiny to McCain. But I worry it foreshadows something about the dark direction McCain and his party will begin to take against Obama. Absent any traction whatsoever on policy, it's a pretty good bet that the Republican slime machine will return in full force. They probably don't have many other options.



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Obama has moved on (none / 0)

Obama will be focusing on the economy from now until election day.

He will meet with economic gurus tomorrow and then will go on a bus tour through Ohio and then will be in Iowa on Thursday.


by puma on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:31:53 PM EST

Re: Obama has moved on (none / 0)

All the press will ask him about McCain's timetable nonsense. And I bet he'll answer.


by Josh Orton on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:43:11 PM EST
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Obama can now attack (none / 0)

McCain on his MULTIPLE flips this week including Timetables, Affirmative Action, etc.


by puma on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:08:37 PM EST
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Does Anybody Notice That Obama's Policy Is (none / 0)

VIETNAMIZATION warmed over?

"Counter-intelligence," "security personnel" to "protect our bases" -- including the massive fortress in the heart of Baghdad that is the U.S. embassy, and the Green Zone. "Rapid reaction forces" to attack "terrorists" (whichever faction de jure is named a "terrorist"), massive air-support, logistics, thousands of Advisers on everything from military training to treasury department agents to economic advisors, plus all the Blackwater and Haliburton thugs, etc.

It failed in Vietnam. It will fail in Iraq because the Iraqis don't want us there. Any government propped up and "supported" by U.S. power will be de facto illegitimate.

This does not look like a happy next four years.

John McCain is channeling Lyndon Johnson and Obama has progressed to Nixon "peace with honor" and "bringing our troops home."

I'm old enough to remember how badly this all played out the last time we went down this road of refusing to admit we started a war we couldn't handle and then had to withdraw.


by Cugel on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:31:31 PM EST
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Re: Obama has moved on (none / 0)

And what gurus. Robert Rubin (disliked here because he is a Clinton guy), Paul Volker the guy who squeezed inflation out of the system. Warren Buffett the sage of Omaha.


by ottovbvs on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:57:32 PM EST
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Hagel: McCain "lying" in ad... (none / 0)

In a joint appearance on CBS' Face the Nation this morning with Senator Jack Reed (D-RI), Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) slammed Senator John McCain's latest presidential campaign ads as both "lying" and "inappropriate."

The McCain ad in question criticizes Senator Obama for not visiting injured American troops recovering at a U.S. medical facility in Landstuhl, Germany.

In yet another comment on the show, when Hagel was asked whom he'd vote for in November, the Republican Senator responded: "I have not decided."

Senators Hagel and Reed appeared on the show after just returning from this past week's international whirlwind tour where they accompanied the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Senator Barack Obama (D-IL), on stopovers in Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Israel, Germany, France and Great Britain.

This from blogger markhaverty on DKos a little while ago:  "Chuck Hagel Denounces McCain Ad! "


On Face the Nation this morning, after Senator Reed defended Senator Obama's not going to the military hospital in Germany, Senator Hagel followed up and went well over what Reed said.

On the visit: "it would have been inappropriate" to do so after the Congressional part of the trip was done and it was done with campaign funds. In Hagel's words, it was the right decision.

On the ad: "It is not appropriate."

The full podcast of this morning's edition of Face the Nation  is available via RSS feed HERE (click this link).


by bobswern on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:40:39 PM EST

Great post, Josh. (2.00 / 1)

McCain will lose because he's allowed Obama to get inside his head...and he's freaked.  So freaked that he's time warped to the 2000 campaign.  NOT. THIS. TIME.


by pamelabrown on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:44:00 PM EST

Re: Nice Try, Part II (2.00 / 1)

The MSM media are being helped in these debunkings by two awesome powers -- Google and the left blogosphere.


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by politicsmatters on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:44:23 PM EST

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So true. All the media has to do is wait a couple of minutes for the story to break, let the blogosphere do the leg word, and then verify the research by their own means.


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by spacemanspiff on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:49:37 PM EST
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Re: Nice Try, Part II (2.00 / 2)

I'd also like to debunk the smear perpetrated by a diary that was on the rec list yesterday -- that Obama leaked his note in the Wailing Wall.  

JERUSALEM (CNN) - The rabbi who supervises Jerusalem's Western Wall condemned the removal of a prayer note purportedly written by Sen. Barack Obama, saying the action was "sacrilegious."

Ma'ariv said a seminary student gave the note to the paper.

"This sacrilegious action deserves sharp condemnation and represents a desecration of the holy site," said Rabbi Shmuel Rabinowitz, who supervises the Western Wall, in a statement.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/07/27/rabbi-removal-of-obamas-purporte d-prayer-note-sacrilegious/

MYDD needs to do better, to not create or pass along smears.


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by politicsmatters on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:47:26 PM EST

Re: Nice Try, Part II (2.00 / 1)

I want to quote a post by bobswern in another diary, because it's very informative:

...Ma'ariv, the Israeli newspaper that "leaked" Obama's Wailing Wall note, has been in on-again/off-again buyout talks with none other than Las Vegas casino tycoon, Sheldon Adelson.  Adelson is also the owner and publisher of Israel Today, a new Israeli daily which serves as the mouthpiece for Benjamin Netanyahu's extremely hawkish Likud Party there.

Adelson is the primary financial backer of the dirty-tricks/slimeball advertising, 501(c)4 Freedom's Watch. Adelson has Karl Rove and Ari Fleischer on very hefty, six-figure consulting gigs as I write this. So far, Freedom's Watch has spent roughly $25 million, of what's anticipated to be a total of $200- to $250-million, in media and support for the Rethug's this cycle.

So, it's no surprise what's going on here. And, lo and behold, sure looks like the negative intent of invading Obama's privacy and publishing of his Wailing Wall note backfired, gaining empathy for his candidacy, worldwide.

by bobswern on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 02:24:13 PM CDT

 

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/7/27/1 401/44583/6#6


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:29:05 PM EST
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Re: Nice Try, Part II (none / 0)

On this matter, do either of you have any rough idea of the number of heads of state / politicians / celebrities, etc. who have left such notes over the past 60-odd years?  

My understanding is that this is the first time a note has been leaked.  If so, it further bashes the idea that this was his plan.  As far as I've found, notes are removed periodically (more than a million are left each year,) and buried by rabbis on the Mount of Olives.  

N.B.  I do think I recall some collection of Notes from the Wall from many, many years ago.  If that memory is accurate, those were presented in an historical setting and were all anonymous.  


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by January 20 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 08:16:25 PM EST
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Re: Nice Try, Part II (none / 0)

I don't know how many high level people have left notes at the wall, but I've never heard of any notes being leaked.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:40:35 AM EST
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I still think it's funny that McCain keeps saying "the surge was my idea."

Even if that was true, which it probably isn't, it doesn't take a genius to say "send more troops."

Hell, McCain went along with Shinsecki's firing because he said the same thing.


by Bush Bites on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:01:55 PM EST

The McCampaign is getting a rep for lying. (none / 0)

So, the media (unbelievably) is doing their due diligence before publishing the talking points.

Lo and behold, they find out McCain is full of it, yet again.

I cannot see how McCain manages to survive this stuff.


by Hesiod Theogeny on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:03:51 PM EST

Re: Nice Try, Part II (none / 0)

Maybe McShame will also realize that you don't need to visit Iraq to know it was a War in Error. And say sorry. And stop playing politics with the troops. Just because he was in the military doesn't mean he should geta free pass.http://angryafrican.net/2008/07/27/views -on-the-weakly-news-xvi/


by Angry African on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:30:24 PM EST

Re: Nice Try, Part II (2.00 / 1)

Remember that as of a couple weeks ago, McSame in his abject desperation sold his ass and his soul to Karl Rove's toadies and henchmen.  From that point forward, Steve Schmidt, a sociopath, was given complete and total control of where the McCain campaign goes and how it gets there.

It is not surprising that smears, character assassination, baldface lying, opportunism, and careful liaison and coordination with the Right Wing's media colossus is now the McCain campaign's modus operandi.  That is what Rove does and has always done.

This story is telling me the usual shills, mouthpieces, and frontmen are now recognizing that if they carry Rove's water they are going to be held accountable by us, and by the rest of America.  And they know Rove has not much left to lose:  If certain items moving through the courts and the Congress now do not break his way, there is a real chance he could go to jail.

But they will still have jobs, columns, tv shows and lives that they have to throw into the kitty.

And I think they are seeing some real downsides to that gamble.  The odds are now WAYYY different than they were in 2003 and 2004, and you can feel the recalculations crunching even as we speak.


by dembluestates on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:40:42 PM EST

Thune took himself (none / 0)

out of consideration essentially on Foxnews in other news.  McCaskill also said she has not been vetted yet, which probably rightfully means she is not being considered though she remains Obama's hardest working surrogtate.

I think this bounce that Obama has received is real and sustainable or else McCain would not have gone ahead with his attack on the troop visit.  I expect a McCain VP choice this week; as with his positions on many things, McCain seems conflicted between Pawlenty and Romney.  Ambinder puts the money on Pawlenty given that he has cancelled his appearances tomorrow.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 03:47:58 PM EST

Re: Thune took himself (none / 0)

Wth the Olympics coming up you can expect Obama to announce his VP pick too. I'm guessing he'll wait until after McLame so he can bigfoot the story. Obama's strategists have mastered the technique, as they demonstrated in the primaries by stepping on Clinton every time she tried to grab the headlines.


by Beren on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:19:22 PM EST
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Re: Nice Try, Part II (none / 0)

it's a pretty good bet that the Republican slime machine will return in full force.

It's more than a good bet. It's a certaintly regardless of how the policy debate goes for them. Their trouble is that all the "juicy" stuff about Obama has been paraded ad nauseum. They'll try to rehash it, but it won't get traction unless they can find a new line of attack or wrinkle.


by Beren on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 04:15:49 PM EST

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Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Last night I heard a CNN Radio news report that led with McCain's claim that Obama didn't visit the troops in Germany because he couldn't take cameras. This was the lead news story! With no clarification of actual facts or even a response from the Obama campaign.
by Katewyn on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 05:24:56 PM EST

51-39 Obama (none / 0)

I don't know much about the polling organization, but this is the results of a nation result reported at http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm


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by politicsmatters on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:42:45 PM EST

And still, the press does McCain's job (none / 0)

"By two-to-one, Americans still believe McCain would be a better commander in chief than Obama."
This is from "liberal" Roger Cohen at the NYT:
http://blogs.iht.com/tribtalk/opinion/pa ssages/?p=112

I'm not an Obama fan, but this allegedly huge advantage of old fart McSame, who can't even memorize the most basic facts on the War on Terror, seemed totally implausible to me. So I googled, and couldn't find any poll supporting this "two-to-one" statement. I did find other polls, though, who suggest the preferrence for the CiC job may be much more even. What shall we make of "journalists" who spread such propaganda without providing any facts to back this up???


No way, no how, no McCain!
by Gray on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 06:39:17 AM EST

Does this trend (none / 0)

go beyond NBC and it's affiliates? NBC's motives are a bit suspect, given the huge ad buy that Obama made with them during the Olympics.


by georgiapeach on Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 11:51:31 AM EST


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